Lucerna Discussion lucerna@lists.newearth.org
Sat Jun 10 12:30:35 HST 2006

In Luke, "And the messengers of John having gone away, he began to say unto 
the multitudes concerning John: `What have ye gone forth to the wilderness 
to look on? a reed (KNH or CALAM* ?) by the wind shaken? But what have ye 
gone forth to see? a man in soft garments clothed? lo, they in splendid 
apparellings, and living in luxury, are in the houses of kings! vii. 24, 25.

Your brother in the Anointed, literally


>To: lucerna@novahierosolyma.org
>CC: brothergregory@hotmail.com
>Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:50:42 -0400
>Ok, Brother literally "Greg," I think your purpose is now clear: "The 
>Writings literally and spiritually were opened to me from out of this 
>literal understanding. My purpose is to attempt to relate the importance of 
>this discovery. This is the 'return' concept."
>But surely, in your experience, you have come to realize the importance of 
>"knowing" your audience before you begin to preach to them. (In "The 
>Writings" it says that the Lord ACCOMMODATES Himself to the human race. 
>That implies "knowing" the state of the audience.) In as much as you have 
>accused your audience of being the "offspring" of the "Lutheran and 
>Protestant" degeneracy, and of being "dead branches" and perhaps "those 
>without life," it hardly seems to me that you have attempted to get off on 
>the right foot with what this audience may want to hear. If you have 
>important things to reveal, perhaps you might want to put this in the 
>context of positive things you know about the New Church Movement, as a way 
>of demonstrating some empathy and solidarity with your listerners. Alan
>>Reply-To: Discussion on doctrine drawn out of the Latin Word<>To: 
>>Subject: Re: [lucerna] does faith alone justify the degenerate offspring?
>>Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:20:01 -0400
>The Writings also speak of those without life in the same manner
>142. Verse 15. So thou hast them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, 
>which thing I hate, signifies those who separate good from truth, or 
>charity from faith, which is against Divine order. This is evident from 
>what was said and shown above (n. 107), where similar words occur. To which 
>this is to be added: That those who separate truth from good, or faith from 
>charity, turn away from themselves all influx of heaven into the goods they 
>do, in consequence of which their goods are not good; for heaven flows in, 
>that is, the Lord through heaven, into the good of man's love; he, 
>therefore, that rejects the good of charity from the doctrine of the 
>church, and receives instead only those things that are called matters of 
>faith, is shut out of heaven; truths with such have no life; and it is the 
>life of truth, which is good, that conjoins, but not truth without life, or 
>faith without charity. (But more on these subjects in The Doctrine of the 
>New Jerusalem where it treats of Charity, n. 84-107, and of Faith, n. 
>The Divine Goodness is 'Esse' the mystery of the use of the 'oil'. Again I 
>come back to this subject because to reject the literal Word is to reject 
>Him. When one states that whatever the Christ means literally does not 
>matter because I believe and have faith that He is the Anointed they lose 
>sight of the mystery of the literal return. One cannot believe what one 
>does not understand. I don't have the reference available for that 
>spiritual law according to the Writings but you should recognize it.
>My statement is clear on what my purpose is here. I gathered the literal 
>truths from out of the Word. One must first know and act upon the literal 
>truth of the 'oil'. A great help has been the spiritual practises of the 
>Ethiopian Orthodox Church. The Writings literally and spiritually were 
>opened to me from out of this literal understanding. My purpose is to 
>attempt to relate the importance of this discovery. This is the 'return' 
>concept. One simply cannot understand the Writings without being 
>knowledgable to the 'mysteries' of the Oriental Orthodox Church. It is 
>extremely frustrating experience. However, headway is being made. My work 
>is almost complete. There is one more paper that needs to be written 
>entitled 'Doctrine of Truth and Good'. When this is complete my intention 
>is to send it out to all of the 'virtual priests' of the New Church to let 
>them know that the return concept is in the literal Word. As of now, I have 
>addresses listed from a New Church website that show all of the New 
>Churches and their pastors names as well as the Seminaries. Right now, this 
>literal meaning is hidden.
>This discussion started on the arcana hidden in the Latin of the Writings. 
>Central to this concept I keep trying to point out is that the literal 
>meaning of the term CALAM* is of extreme importance. Do a search of the 
>term and you will see just how important the term is. In one sense the 
>Writings state that it symbolizes the ultimate truth. In its oppossing 
>sense it symbolizes falsity sustaining. In the symbolism of the golden reed 
>it states that this term cannot be literally understood, only spiritually. 
>I literally and spiritually understand this arcana because I know what the 
>term KNH means.
>When adminstrator of this site states, "So what" in regard to this whole 
>concept one has to wonder why anyone bothers at all.
>Your brother in the Anointed, literally "Greg"
>Reply-To: Discussion on doctrine drawn out of the Latin 
>To: lucerna@novahierosolyma.org
>Subject: [lucerna] does faith alone justify the degenerate offspring?
>Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:03:49 -0400

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