[lucerna] KNOW THY AUDIENCE

arcam1970@comcast.net arcam1970@comcast.net
Mon Jun 12 08:22:31 HST 2006


Gregory:

What does it mean, KNH, other than a reed and ultimate truth?  

I'm going to have patience with you because you seem to be runnning out of potential friends or allies.  You've insulted Alan L., Michael D., and myself Richard C. because we don't have the insight to the ordination ritual of Exodus 30 that you do, but you are not explaining yourself very well.  Wait, I think I understand the "golden eagle idol" now.  Is it the United States of America?  In spite of the obvious imperfections of our country (such as the proliferation and dominion of secular humanism) we could not have the orderly technical society that we have right now that allows us to print and even fax the New Word of God and to hold these internet discussions as we are doing right now.  I don't think we can get away from that "golden eagle idol" without the Lord's Divine Providence in the natural society allowing it to fall down on its own, and that would be a tradgedy.  I would never want to knock it down, at least not from my heavenly proprium, as far as my infernal proprium 
is concerned, I have no comment right now.

Richard Campbell  arcam1970@comcast.net  

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From: "Gregory Davis" <brothergregory@hotmail.com> 

> In Luke, "And the messengers of John having gone away, he began to say unto 
> the multitudes concerning John: `What have ye gone forth to the wilderness 
> to look on? a reed (KNH or CALAM* ?) by the wind shaken? But what have ye 
> gone forth to see? a man in soft garments clothed? lo, they in splendid 
> apparellings, and living in luxury, are in the houses of kings! vii. 24, 25. 
> 
> Your brother in the Anointed, literally 
> 
> "Greg" 
> 
> >From: "Alan Longstaff" 
> >To: lucerna@novahierosolyma.org 
> >CC: brothergregory@hotmail.com 
> >Subject: KNOW THY AUDIENCE 
> >Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:50:42 -0400 
> > 
> >Ok, Brother literally "Greg," I think your purpose is now clear: "The 
> >Writings literally and spiritually were opened to me from out of this 
> >literal understanding. My purpose is to attempt to relate the importance of 
> >this discovery. This is the 'return' concept." 
> > 
> >But surely, in your experience, you have come to realize the importance of 
> >"knowing" your audience before you begin to preach to them. (In "The 
> >Writings" it says that the Lord ACCOMMODATES Himself to the human race. 
> >That implies "knowing" the state of the audience.) In as much as you have 
> >accused your audience of being the "offspring" of the "Lutheran and 
> >Protestant" degeneracy, and of being "dead branches" and perhaps "those 
> >without life," it hardly seems to me that you have attempted to get off on 
> >the right foot with what this audience may want to hear. If you have 
> >important things to reveal, perhaps you might want to put this in the 
> >context of positive things you know about the New Church Movement, as a way 
> >of demonstrating some empathy and solidarity with your listerners. Alan 
> > 
> >>From: "Gregory Davis" 
> >>Reply-To: Discussion on doctrine drawn out of the Latin Word<>To: 
> >>lucerna@novahierosolyma.org 
> >>Subject: Re: [lucerna] does faith alone justify the degenerate offspring? 
> >>Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:20:01 -0400 
> >The Writings also speak of those without life in the same manner 
> > 
> >142. Verse 15. So thou hast them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, 
> >which thing I hate, signifies those who separate good from truth, or 
> >charity from faith, which is against Divine order. This is evident from 
> >what was said and shown above (n. 107), where similar words occur. To which 
> >this is to be added: That those who separate truth from good, or faith from 
> >charity, turn away from themselves all influx of heaven into the goods they 
> >do, in consequence of which their goods are not good; for heaven flows in, 
> >that is, the Lord through heaven, into the good of man's love; he, 
> >therefore, that rejects the good of charity from the doctrine of the 
> >church, and receives instead only those things that are called matters of 
> >faith, is shut out of heaven; truths with such have no life; and it is the 
> >life of truth, which is good, that conjoins, but not truth without life, or 
> >faith without charity. (But more on these subjects in The Doctrine of the 
> >New Jerusalem where it treats of Charity, n. 84-107, and of Faith, n. 
> >108-122.) 
> > 
> >The Divine Goodness is 'Esse' the mystery of the use of the 'oil'. Again I 
> >come back to this subject because to reject the literal Word is to reject 
> >Him. When one states that whatever the Christ means literally does not 
> >matter because I believe and have faith that He is the Anointed they lose 
> >sight of the mystery of the literal return. One cannot believe what one 
> >does not understand. I don't have the reference available for that 
> >spiritual law according to the Writings but you should recognize it. 
> > 
> >My statement is clear on what my purpose is here. I gathered the literal 
> >truths from out of the Word. One must first know and act upon the literal 
> >truth of the 'oil'. A great help has been the spiritual practises of the 
> >Ethiopian Orthodox Church. The Writings literally and spiritually were 
> >opened to me from out of this literal understanding. My purpose is to 
> >attempt to relate the importance of this discovery. This is the 'return' 
> >concept. One simply cannot understand the Writings without being 
> >knowledgable to the 'mysteries' of the Oriental Orthodox Church. It is 
> >extremely frustrating experience. However, headway is being made. My work 
> >is almost complete. There is one more paper that needs to be written 
> >entitled 'Doctrine of Truth and Good'. When this is complete my intention 
> >is to send it out to all of the 'virtual priests' of the New Church to let 
> >them know that the return concept is in the literal Word. As of now, I have 
> >addresses listed from a New Church website that show all of the New 
> >Churches and their pastors names as well as the Seminaries. Right now, this 
> >literal meaning is hidden. 
> > 
> >This discussion started on the arcana hidden in the Latin of the Writings. 
> >Central to this concept I keep trying to point out is that the literal 
> >meaning of the term CALAM* is of extreme importance. Do a search of the 
> >term and you will see just how important the term is. In one sense the 
> >Writings state that it symbolizes the ultimate truth. In its oppossing 
> >sense it symbolizes falsity sustaining. In the symbolism of the golden reed 
> >it states that this term cannot be literally understood, only spiritually. 
> >I literally and spiritually understand this arcana because I know what the 
> >term KNH means. 
> > 
> >When adminstrator of this site states, "So what" in regard to this whole 
> >concept one has to wonder why anyone bothers at all. 
> > 
> >Your brother in the Anointed, literally "Greg" 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: "Alan Longstaff" 
> >Reply-To: Discussion on doctrine drawn out of the Latin 
> >Word 
> >To: lucerna@novahierosolyma.org 
> >Subject: [lucerna] does faith alone justify the degenerate offspring? 
> >Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:03:49 -0400 
> > 
> > 
> 
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